This sums it up pretty well to me. Which…I mean that’s fair. Only that IT MATTERS that GRRM is talking about Dragonseeds in tandem with this story. The third tragedy of Queen Rhaena was the death of her mother. Did they take up the faith of the seven too? Meanwhile, in Winterfell…Lord Alaric is laying on the guilt trip on Jaehaerys HARD. And here, my friends, is what I believe connects so many dots between the tale of Bael and our good queen. I had this theory that the sword we know as Ice might just be Set Arthur's sword. There it is. Good Queen Alysanne. This not a Stark history book, so no-one cares how Stark's unimportant sons died. Unfortunately he wound up being attacked by giants during his journey back to Winterfell, and never made it home. https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Jaehaerys_I_Targaryen “Hers was the worst story, but not the only one. Two estrangements are recorded but they did not last more than a year or two before the pair resumed their customary friendship. "To our knowledge, these two weren’t part of the Poor Fellows or Warriors sons. Well, in 48 AC just before King Maegor I “The Cruel” found himself sliced open on the iron throne, two members of his Kingsguard betrayed him in support of his nephew, the young King Jaehaerys. For one, GRRM’s attitude toward those bastards seems to be dismissive at best, rather than hinting or coy. Edric is the "grandson" in this scenario. The following morning, Lord Stark wakes up to find his only child, a daughter, maiden and heir to Winterfell, has disappeared. I don’t think it’s ANY coincidence that this little conversation happens immediately upon their return from Winterfell. For Daenerys Targaryen's ship, see Balerion (ship). Pre-A Song of Ice and Fire: Alysanne Targaryen (also known as Good Queen Alysanne) & her final years “The last years of Alysanne Targaryen were sad and lonely ones.In her youth, Good Queen Alysanne had loved her subjects, lords and commons alike.She had loved her women’s courts, listening, learning, and doing what she could to make the realm a kinder place. Did they take up the faith of the seven too? Lord Alaric’s two sons are never heard of again. "The only way to keep your people loyal is to make certain they fear you more than they do the enemy.” “I will remember, Your Grace,” said Sansa, though she had always heard that love was a surer route to the people’s loyalty than fear. So even if Bael stole Stark's daughter (and that's a big if for me), the details of the story are most likely adapted to fit culture and knowledge of the wildlings. When’s part 2 coming? Now before you drag me through the mud, I want to be VERY clear. The tale continues, and we’ll circle back to that in a later series entry. Maybe even tomorrow. Perhaps…the bastard of a traveling….dragon? And most importantly… who ruled Winterfell after his death? Which is a pretty big point in your explanation why you think Bael happened after the conquest. I would point out that you glossed over the ending of the Bael story though... the son kills the father. I want to talk about that tourney now. Keep that in mind. As Archmaester Gyldayn notes in his fragmentary history, there is no record that Vermax ever laid so much as a single egg, suggesting the dragon was male. Wouldn’t #2 establish that the Nights Watch needs help if they’re legit outsourcing the heavy lifting to the Lord of Winterfell? Anyway…back to 58 AC…. Thanks for the question, @punkrocknerdfighter. If the rebellion is THAT MUCH of a threat, maybe like… tell someone? Oh, I knew of the tradition. Only that it had to have ended soon after for the King and Queen to wind up back in Kings Landing for the big tourney within the same year. Who…are…his….parents?". But I want to take a minute to point out now that maybe the most curious thing about the story of Bael is that it seems to be a Wildling legend unknown to those South of the Wall. Since you pictured him as an old man at the end of his reign, I figure it would be most appropriate to do her the same way, rather than as the young woman she was when Jaehaerys first ascended the Iron Throne. Well what do you know… he was succeeded by his GRANDSON, Edric Stark. 60 AC: the death of Princess Daenerys, daughter of King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne. The Stark line in 72 AC is continued by Lord Edric, whom seemingly appears out of no where after Lord Alaric’s only daughter, Alarra, is swept away to the capital to serve the Queen. Brandon Stark (whichever Brandon he may be or have been) offends a particularly clever clever King-beyond-the-wall by calling him a craven/coward. I’d be willing to bet that kid was Alarra’s. Even on Dragonstone, there are stories of men of mine own house, Targaryens, who have made free with the wives of fisherfolk and serving men, and sired children on them…”, “Dragonseeds, they call them,” Jaehaerys said with obvious reluctance. The marriage of the fourth Targaryen monarch Jaehaerys I and his sister-wife Queen Alysanne is considered to be full of love and mutual respect.. And seeing as our buddy Bran is quite familiar with the past, I’m on his side, even if he's just being sarcastic. As a young child, Alyssa followed her brother Baelon, four years her elder, everywhere every since she was able to walk, to Baelon's annoyanc… "Aren't some of you always looking for a way to work Targaryen blood into the Stark line?". (Alaric eventually orders this, and sends some guys to do it. I just don't think the folks north of the wall are too precise with their usage of "Lord" or "King" in the stories they tell. Just super charismatic..or..? Again… I guess the super-huge 800-strong Nights Watch builders were on strike that week). Hard pressed to feed them, yet so low on hands the Northern Lords have to lead your ranges and build your castles? For the free folk there is only one guy who rules and the concept of feudality is unknown to them. The name Alysanne (a typical Valyrian name) is highly popular in Westeros even years after the fall of the Targaryen Dynasty. Isn’t that LITERALLY the job of the ‘rangers’? :), The True History of the Blackfyre Rebellion. Some might say this is peculiar behavior for a woman so in-love with her husband following a half-year long separation. It’s almost like all the references to a “dragon egg” in the Stark Crypt is a reference to Targaryen blood in their heritage! The intent of each entry will be to explore a pattern, parallel, or unique link between songs, tales, or legends of Westeros and the life of a particularly beloved Targaryen Queen. That's sometimes annoying, doesn't mean there is anything mysteryous about the sons though. “It is not a thing to boast of, but it has happened, mayhaps more often than we would care to admit. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It’s revealed that they never left Winterfell, and had in fact, been in the crypts with the dead all along. To our knowledge, these two weren’t part of the Poor Fellows or Warriors sons. Wary Lord “Brandon” grows impressed with the singer and allows him to stay…………….Wary Lord Alaric warms to Alysanne’s charm and quick wit during her stay. As I said, you are really into this, but in my opinion you are looking for complicated twists when there are simple explanations. The singer asks for the most beautiful thing growing in the Winterfell gardens……………………The Queen presumably requests continued support, makes suggestions for improvements, proposes marriage arrangments.etc. Since when does the Night’s Watch b*tch about having too much help? The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. I’ll update below with links as each entry is posted. The dynamic starts to change a bit after the Queen reminds him that there are still those in the south who worship The Old Gods. "Bran actually contradicts history when he suggests that Alysanne didn’t take off for the wall out of boredom until AFTER Jaehaerys gets there. But I can discuss why I think it more likely that Barristan will die in Meereen, before Daenerys returns, than that he will betray her for Young Aegon. I cannot speak to that author’s supposed argument. I mean… you’re welcome? This article is about the dragon. Lord Alaric had two perfectly good MALE heirs to succeed him, right? The house faces complete and utter extinction. Oh, and what about the pregnancy debacle? "We learn later that Lord Alaric outlives his two mystery sons. But whatever. No, I don’t think that theory makes a lot of sense. Little does he know, this singer is actually that very same craven-king in ‘disguise’. Alaric later makes to a snarky comment comparing the anticipated Queen's garrison to the King sending traitors to the wall, leaving them with ‘too many mouths to feed’. Such children are cherished, though. About; Search for: Tag Archives: tarth targaryen theory Thoughts on Aegon and Betha and Dunk and Daella. Take a quick look at this cute little family tree. Others believe a related theory based on a visit by Queen Alysanne Targaryen to Winterfell; rumor has it that her mount left a clutch of eggs behind. Which…I mean that’s fair. Whoever the Night’s King was historically has virtually no bearing on the current story; heck, even the characters in the book don’t agree and put little emphasis on his true identity. Aren't some of you always looking for a way to work Targaryen blood into the Stark line? Keep that in mind.". Not Jaeharys or Alysanne sound like come off as cheaters. Not wanting to disappoint the Warden in the North, Lord Alaric Stark, they decide Alysanne will travel without him. And seeing as our buddy Bran is quite familiar with the past, I’m on his side, even if he's just being sarcastic. Baelon, he was named, after one of the Targaryen lords who had ruled … In addition to giving them jewels to fund the building of a new fort, she also doubled the size of The Gift so they'd have more lands to support them. "two mystery sons (yeah, we don’t know their names, and they don’t live to see Lordship, so..I guess they don’t get names)". Alysanne was loved by the North after her journey to the Wall, where she claimed more lands for the Night's Watch as well as held courts with highborn and lowborn women. A day and a half after she had woken her motherfrom sleep complaining of feeling cold, the little princess was dead. Alysanne Targaryen, also known as Good Queen Alysanne, the daughter of King Aenys I Targaryen and Queen Alyssa Velaryon, and later the wife of her brother, King Jaehaerys I Targaryen Alysanne of Tarth, one of the daughters of Lord Selwyn of Tart That Jaehaerys did not want a woman to succeed to the Iron Throne seems clear enough - not only from what he did with Rhaenys IOTL, but from his insistence to … Seems suspicious. He meets her out front with two mystery sons (yeah, we don’t know their names, and they don’t live to see Lordship, so..I guess they don’t get names). Finally, the king could join the queen at Winterfell, but he was in for a Stark welcome. Sansa Stark and "Good Queen" Alysanne Targaryen parallels. Gifts were given…”. And most importantly… who ruled Winterfell after his death? Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. I'll address it again in part 2..and the. Oh..and there's this... “So there it is—you have Bael’s blood in you, same as me.”. He needs someone to put the blame on and chooses the king. News and discussions relating to George R. R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" novels, his Westeros-based short stories, "Game of Thrones" and all things ASOIAF - but with particular emphasis on the written series. Stars and Swords, the leavings of your seven gods, what are they to us? If so, Olyver and Raymond really must have had the swagger of Barrack Obama.". Rhaenys became a dragonrider in 87 AC when she claimed the dragon Meleys. A singer, whom Lord “Brandon” calls a craven, comes to Winterfell…………..A royal progress, with whom Lord Alaric is displeased, comes to Winterfell. Any King in the North was Lord of Winterfell, as well. What do you think of the theory that the Nights King (or his book equivalent) is actually a Stark? For another, without the Blackfyres’ involvement the whole military thrust of Aegon’s invasion makes no sense at all. After Maegor’s death, Jaehaerys decided he had no desire to surround himself with turn cloaks, but gave Olyver Bracken and Ser Raymond Mallery the option to take the Black. They didn't contribute to history in any meaningful way and thus their names don't need to be mentioned. There's a competing theory which argues that by ending the tradition of First Night and urging the closure of the Nightfort, Queen Alysanne violated an ancient & mostly forgotten pact which provided the Others with a steady stream of unwanted bastard babies through the Nightfort's secret gate. The queen collapsed in the king’s arms, shaking so violently … Barristan’s POV arc in ADWD was undoubtedly short, but I believe it proved more… Interesting. Well… did he have to viable heirs? Most of the Septa Lemore threads have her pointing toward, Ashara Dayne, Lyanna Stark, or Joanna Lannister and sometimes Rhaella Targaryen. They say Lord Alaric warms to Alysanne - thanks to her charm and quick wit - asking only that she leave her dragon outside. As for your thoughts on Alysanne and Jaehaery's perfect marriage.. Soon! BUT his two mystery sons, and daughter, do. Alaric had two sons and a daughter, the Starks weren't at the line there and Ellard is Edric's descendant not Alarra. When the Queen arrives, apparently Lord Alaric is…. They were of age in 58 AC and most likely one or both of them married soon after and got a child or children. And yet you sent them to the Wall in their hundreds and their thousands, so many that the Night’s Watch was hard-pressed to feed them…and when the worst of them rose up, the oathbreakers you had sent us, it cost my brother’s life to put them down.”, - Lord Alaric StarkFaB, Jaehaerys and Alysanne - Their Triumphs and Tradgedies. Heads into the Haunted Forrest with Lord Commander Burley (I guess..without her dragon..), Visits Molestown and holds one of her infamous Women’s Courts, Hears some terrible stories from women/girls about the Lords Right to the First Night tradition. In the end few enough joint them, anyway. Whether he was conceived of a first night I cannot say, but Lord Aerion was his father, that was well-known. I won’t recount his entire colorful story here - or its rather brutal end - but I’ll summarize. In her empty bed? This series will explore events as documented in any/all published material, discussions, theories, interviews with GRRM, etc. She was named for her grandmother, Alyssa Velaryon,who had died six years before. And we can't expect that Ygritte, who was raised in a culture of oral tradition, can tell a king from a lord (or the kingsroad from its predecessor), anyway. Recent Events A Clash of Kings. While it may not be Stark's job, there is no reason why a martial lord wouldn't take part in the campaign. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. :agree: Alaric later makes to a snarky comment comparing the anticipated Queen's garrison to the King sending traitors to the wall, leaving them with ‘too many mouths to feed’. I should have known better than posting during a major electoral event AND the bachelor, but I guess I was confident the latter demographic might not overlap enough to impact the livelihood of a comment thread. Just super charismatic..or..?". I don’t buy it. 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