Europe today has little desire to reproduce itself, fight for itself, or even take its own side in an argument. But born this way says, nothing I can do about it, so be nice. Peter Robinson: Right, so to continue with the basic argument, this has come about, this death of Europe, or the death, this has come about, quote, because of two simultaneous concatenations from which it is now all but impossible to recover. Most people aren't in a position in their lives, in their jobs, in their mortgage, or anything--. My own view has always been that it's just absurd to think that this is the sum of what we've had, and that's the obscenity of this, really. I recount in the book, we moved from the guest worker period to the multicultural period where you said, yeah, live in our country and pretty much do what you like to the modern one, which is, become like us. Move on. Douglas Murray: Not my fault. The endless writings and pamphlets and evangelism in every country of Europe were one more attempt to dream a meaningful dream, capable of solving everything and addressing the problems of everyone. The Strange Death of Europe is a highly personal account of a continent and culture caught in the act of suicide. You can't use anything, because everything might make us do it all again. By Douglas Murray. The other part of the European brain has spent these years watching and waiting. The Strange Death of Europe by Douglas Murray review – gentrified xenophobia The rightwing journalist and commentator cites Enoch Powell … And so a constantly increasing population causes population problems in areas that are already suffering housing supply problems and where infrastructure like public transport struggles to keep up with swiftly expanding populations.”, “But if the views of some migrant communities on homosexuality were only a couple of generations out of date, the views of portions of those communities on the subject of women were shown to be out of date by many centuries, at least.”, The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam. What is more, when migrants arrive in these countries they move to the big cities, not to the remaining sparsely populated areas. An examination of the continent's current socio-political climate takes the author from Paris to Greece to uncover the malaise at the heart of European culture and paint a picture of crisis. Peter Robinson: So gays, quote, "The Madness of Crowds." They both knew that America had little or no involvement in the wars of the eleventh to thirteenth centuries. But I say, in the book, in advance of the Brexit vote that just because you have national autonomy does not mean that you might not make the same ludicrous decisions. People find it hard to hold on to the hard concepts. Mr. Murray is the author of a number of books, including "The Strange Death of Europe," which appeared in 2017, and "The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race, and Identity," which will appear this coming September. All of its’uninformed, and it's also imbibed by vast swathes of the public, and told to them by a huge amount of academics, the media, politicians, and others. Peter Robinson: For Uncommon Knowledge, through Hoover Institution and Fox Nation, I'm Peter Robinson. They're very happy about that. Murray’s book shares many … "[The Strange Death of Europe] does hit on some unfortunate truths." I mean, there's several reasons for that, isn't there? Douglas Murray: It's very interesting. I mean, I was having this debate a little while ago with a former Polish foreign minister who said, yes, we've got to keep moving. Peter Robinson: Right. The problem is something like this. Douglas Murray: The first thing is, all the adults left the room. When I discussed many of the things that came up in "The Strange Death of Europe," sometimes people say to me, you seem, well, some people say, but you know, you don't seem as het up about it, and that must mean that you know that it's over, because otherwise you would be more--, Peter Robinson: Yes, there's a difference--. This thing I describe as the sense of story running out, a couple of people have said, and I'm very glad they've pointed this out, that in some ways, it's the most reasonable part of the argument in my book. Indeed, they ran in the other direction. Britain’s former Prime Minister Tony Blair attends a meeting of the European People’s Party in Wicklow, Ireland, May 12, 2017. Become engaged in a community that shares an interest in the mission of the Hoover Institution to advance policy ideas that promote economic opportunity and prosperity, while securing and safeguarding peace for America and all mankind. So that, in the lifespan of, I mean you can either, like that, dislike it, or feel fine about it--. His latest book, The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam, was published by Bloomsbury Continuum in May 2017.It spent almost 20 weeks on the Sunday Times bestseller list and was a No. Douglas Murray: Sure, he's not doing it out of the kindness of his heart. We need to open up a path for sensible people to be able to say things about sex, the relations between the sexes and much more, that we all knew until yesterday. Again, universities really did used to be, sort of the crazy uncle. And this has been adopted recently by the trans movement, which says, we are born trans. Douglas Murray: Take the obvious one, which I mention in the race chapter. I'm about a generation older than you are, as best I can work it out. We're shooting today in Fiesole, a town in the hills above Florence, Italy. And I said that the point of me writing "The Madness of Crowds" was to be this Great Viper. You can hear people--. So, when John-- Douglas Murray: I'm not sure there was very much thinking. I mean, it's very interesting, by the way, isn't it? Sorry, sorry, we? Events favour the second, which increasingly begins to wonder whether anyone has the time for the changes that are meant to happen.”, “Efforts to silence the people who raised their voice – whether through violence, intimidation or the courts – meant that three decades after the Rushdie affair there was almost no one in Europe who would dare write a novel, compose a piece of music or even draw an image that might risk Muslim anger. - Michael Barone, Washington Examiner "The Strange Death of Europe by Douglas Murray is an enthralling account of the rise of Islamism in Europe… Okay, so that's just the beginning of geography problems. And then you take the other one, post-colonialism, which you refer to. He's attacked by the clerics now, it's just they're the clerics of the far left and the social justice movements and so on. The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam. Whether the European people choose to go along with this is, naturally, another matter. So, if it's over, Douglas, if it's over, if in your lifetime it's over, how does Douglas Murray lead a good life? So, you're not concerned with any kind of temporary European malaise or questions of slow economic growth, which is a lot of what we hear on the other side of the big water, again, I'm quoting you. Douglas Murray: They are all committed to this now, the commitment to being diverse, being absolutely woke, as we call it, on all of these issues, and the problem about it is, I think it's going to undo all the good that was done. And my view is that, as a skeptic of that particular project, is how about that it moves until the point at which you lose the public, for instance, how about that? So, in recent years, for instance, we've heard an awful lot, certainly since 9-11, about the Islamic neo- Platonists. Much of The Strange Death of Europe reads more like a sensational novel than an exercise in analysis. Almost everything is still behind crime scene tape. Quote, we are going through a great derangement. Collapse of civilizational self-confidence? And he had a particular affection for Augustine, in North Africa, looking across the Mediterranean at the decline of the culture that he loved, and hearing about the sack of Rome. Peter Robinson: That what would have been, what would have been scoffed at, laughed at, single digit number of decades ago, certainly would not have been championed by the BBC, now someone makes a claim, Douglas Murray would say, but that's not so, but you don't have any scientific evidence to suggest that at all. But this stuff is--. Doesn't mean that we should be rude or unpleasant or anything else, but there's a, you're in different terrain. Douglas Murray: It's a great pleasure to be with you. Where the famous author Gerard Reve is renowned for having fantasized about making love with a donkey, an animal he used as a metaphor for God? As I was coming up, the general feeling among sensible people, among conservatives, of whom I am one, but sensible people generally, I think, the general feeling was, young people go to university for four years, and yes, yes, yes, of course the universities are dominated by liberals, but the kids are smart enough to figure that out, and the moment they leave university, they get jobs, they start paying taxes, they go through what people have gone through for, the struggles of forming families and so forth. Life hurts a lot more than death. © 2021 by the Board of Trustees of Leland Stanford Junior University. Ja daar is ie dan. I don't get any of that. "In Douglas Murray’s The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam, whereby one learns that the death in question is not so strange after all, for it is merely a case of suicide--or, more precisely, attempted suicide, because there is an increasing resistance underway, which is even reversing Islamization in some European countries, at least in some respects . But since 2015, the European leaders, among other things, did a deal with President Caliph Erdogan, and he now has a gun to Europe's head that he knows he can fire at any point. The Strange Death Of Europe. The Sunday Times number one bestseller The Strange Death of Europe is a highly personal account of a continent and culture caught in the act of suicide. Help me think it through, layman that I am, that I haven't thought about this in any great detail. society. I mean, one is that you can do that almost cost free, as a modern politician, can't you? When people tell us what a patriarchal and bigoted society we live in, and how terrible, and how there's a war on women and a war on gays and a war on trans and a war on blacks and a war on everybody and against everybody else, compared to when? But I don't intend, I've done my best shot at it. The very first line is "Europe is committing suicide" and the core premise of the book is that European culture and Western values are being killed by a combination of Islamic immigrants and guilt ridden liberals. And I know quite a lot of people, including social conservatives, who said, I don't know, which side should we be on? Skin color is meant to be everything. - Christina Hoff Sommers, Politico Patrick Collinson. Peter Robinson: Well, all right. Okay, take us through that a little. Douglas Murray: There's several things. Peter Robinson: But what I'm worried about is that conservatives find themselves edging toward the position of saying, well, you know those Muslims have a point. Douglas Murray: We, Europeans, pay him huge sums of money and he stops boats leaving Turkish shores for Greek islands. Now, in the eyes of some of the governments and many of the public, it was all people fleeing the Syrian Civil War, but it wasn't, it wasn't. Douglas Murray: And you work out, don't you, as an adult, what it's worth wasting yourself on, and at what points you should keep making and when you've made them enough, and when you've hit your head against that wall enough, and you just have to work it out. It deserves to be taken seriously. So what do we do?”, “Even before the First World War there was a strain in European art and music – in Germany more than anywhere – that was turning from ripeness to over-ripeness and then into something else. Stream Book Club: The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam by Douglas Murray by Luke Ford from desktop or your mobile device Nothing is more telling regarding the state of affairs in Europe that author Douglas Murray, an open homosexual, laments the loss of Christendom in his new book The Strange Death Of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam.This is one of the most powerful books on the topic of mass immigration and cultural cohesion and perhaps Murray's status as a member of one protected class gives him some … But Arafat, at any rate, was happy to indulge the affliction of anyone who believed they had and use it to his own political advantage.”, “Such visible failure and a sense of lost moorings can be – for the individual as for society – not only a cause for concern but an exhausting emotional process. What is the definition, what components of fighting back, of resignation do right minded Europeans somehow or other reestablish some kind of analog to the Benedictine monasteries where they try to keep the culture alive? The immigration bit is important, and people should know about it, but this second bit, the us bit, what is it about us that would mean this all happened? I'm taking these from your book. By personal will, by cultural environment and stuff. Murray is very effective in fully … It's perfectly obvious. Peter Robinson: All right, question. The Strange Death of Europe is a highly personal account of a continent and culture caught in the act of suicide. Peter Robinson: All right. Europe thinks that borders are the cause of war. But at the same time, we are making things that are undoubtedly hardware issues, gender, sex, into software. The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam is a 2017 book by the British journalist and political commentator Douglas Murray. Declining birth-rates, mass immigration and cultivated self-distrust and self-hatred have come together to make Europeans unable to argue for themselves and incapable of resisting their own comprehensive change as a society. You're meant to not say it, either. Welcome back. And so that's-- Douglas Murray: Yeah, experimenting on children and--, Douglas Murray: Yeah. If you don't have borders, you're in trouble. They're not going to go to Saudi Arabia. Of course, I mean, what I always think that--. “When it comes to anti-fascism in most of Western Europe, there would appear for now to be a supply-and-demand problem: the demand for fascists vastly outstrips the actual supply.”, “To immerse oneself in popular culture for any length of time is to wallow in an almost unbearable shallowness. You can look after 100 Syrians in a neighboring country for every one you look after in Europe, so it's not efficient in all sorts of ways, whether or not it's humane. And look, if a culture pretends, this is a consistent thing in "The Strange Death of Europe" and "The Madness of Crowds." Well, here you get to one of the problems of this, is that we are--. I've done the crying. They say, no, no, no, it's just that we counted the Harrys in a different way that year and so on. You can't take risks. Douglas Murray: In the aftermath of the Second World War, most Western European countries decided that they wanted to invite migrant labor in to help rebuild. And the trans says, no, no, no, I was born this way, and you need to accept it and within 20 seconds, the BBC, that's an official position. Jim Morrison. You can look at the game, but you can't play it because you daren't, because you know what you might go back to. Peter Robinson: What is the Orwell? I mean, is it worth doing or not? Peter Robinson: And why should it be, why should it be that there is, it's almost as though there's no cultural immune system. Or at least its leaders have decided to commit suicide.” As The Strange Death of Europe opens. Peter Robinson: Skin color does not matter. But yes, the Brexit vote was some kind, it was a shout of reassertion that we would like to be governed in the way that we thought we were governed. The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, identity and Islam. I have not, to date, had one critic who said, you're wrong on the existential tiredness. If anybody wanted a textbook case on how politics goes wrong, here is one.”, “A society that says we are defined exclusively by the bar and the nightclub , by self-indulgence and our sense of entitlement, cannot be said to have deep roots or much likelihood of survival. So again, I'm speaking as an American, what was the Churchill movie that was just a big hit last year? Was the sum of European endeavour and achievement really meant to culminate in this?”, “In such a view of society, however greatly you might wish to benefit from an endless supply of cheap labour, a wider range of cuisine or the salving of a generation’s conscience, you still would not have a right to wholly transform your society. I want to try to clear a path for other people to be allowed to cross. The first is the mass movement of peoples into Europe, close quote, so explain that. I mean, I smile because, I mean, I find it--. And that sort of thing is deranging for a public, because it's asking us to take part in something we know to be a lie. And it is single digit numbers of years ago that every one of those was unthinkable, is that correct? We didn't take this very seriously, but it should be taken seriously in my view because it is probably the single idea, since the Cold War ended, that has made most headway and which makes the largest claims for itself. Peter Robinson: Between fight and resignation. The Strange Death of Marxism seeks to refute certain misconceptions about the current European Left and its relation to Marxist and Marxist-Leninist parties that existed in the recent past. Douglas Murray: Malleable, can be changed. The very first line is “Europe is committing suicide” and the core premise of the book is that European culture and Western values are being killed by a combination of Islamic immigrants and guilt ridden liberals. It's taken, what, 50 years to move from Martin Luther King's central moral insight about the nature of somebody's character being the way you judge them not some characteristic like skin color--. For now, what do you make of what the people are willing to put up with two years after you published the book? This is a job for a psychiatrist, in many ways. And you examine the identity politics of gays, women, racial minorities, and trans. Now, that can't be done, Roger Scruton and I were talking about this recently, this can't--. It is not at all obvious that the quality of life in these countries will improve if the population continues growing. Its thesis is that Liberal Party in Great Britain ruined itself in dealing with the House of Lords, women's suffrage, the Irish question, and trade unions, 1906–1914. So, we're very distrustful of not just politics and political ideas, but the philosophy and possibilities that might lead to them. And so it snapped: in modernism and then post-modernism.”, “Their priority has been not to clamp down on the thing to which the public are objecting but, rather, to the objecting public. And I know lots of people who think very differently to that, but most of us in Britain felt we didn't know how we were governed, we didn't know how to get rid of them, we didn't know who they were once they were put there, and we didn't know who put them there. You're not even picking out the important distinctions. So, it leaves you in this position where absolutely everything is still a crime scene, and you're trying to work out how it happened, and that's why whenever anyone mentions something like borders, Angela Merkel and everybody else in any position of power hears, but the strong borders would be a reason we go to war again. Explain 2015 and tell us what that was, what happened in 2015, remind us, and that was a speeded up version of what? Am I being too overdrawn here? Then he, and his guest, burst out laughing. By 2015, more British Muslims were fighting for ISIS than for the British armed forces. All of the literature, the books, the art, the thought, the music, everything, it's there, and all you have to do is to reach out and take it and be part of it, and that seems to me, in this culture of hatred and this thing I go into in "The Madness of Crowds" of this just endless zero-sum hatred and bitterness and blame, it's just to turn that around and say, how about feeling grateful? She was a journalist, said, "Told him I'd smack him "in the face if he ever did that again." Lockdown rules are not in place to protect us, but to further the anti-white agenda. I voted Brexit, like most of my fellow countrymen, and I did so, I think, for the same reasons as most of them, which is that I thought we'd lost, we'd lost our understanding of how we were governed and that this was absolutely central. NPR's Robert Siegel talks to Douglas Murray about his new book, The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam. The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam/The End of Europe: Dictators, Demagogues, and the Coming Dark Age September 2017 DOI: 10.1080/23739770.2017.1375282 January 23, 2018 January 23, 2018. Douglas Murray: So, for instance, gay rights, and which, I'm gay myself, supporter of gay rights, I think it's all good, but it's a great product of liberal rights, it's a hideous foundation for them. So you go along that, and then you get to the thing that all of the aid agencies and the NGOs and others have been doing for years, which is you allied and rub out the difference between people fleeing war and people fleeing economic deprivation. Peter Robinson: And the thinking on that was? Peter Robinson: The madness that you just described, what do Muslims make of this when they watch all this? And when people rail against things like this city we're sitting in, think that it epitomizes capitalism and patriarchy and racism and more and more, I just think, I wish more people could take the attitude that I've taken throughout my life to these things, which is, you don't have to be tub-thumping, you don't have to be a wild flag raving patriot or anything like that. By 2016, the most popular boy's name in England and Wales, Mohammed. In a similar vein, a review of The Strange Death of Europe in The Guardian described Murray's book as "gentrified xenophobia". Douglas Murray: And I would warn people--. Even were you to decide that some of the views or lifestyles of your ancestors could be improved upon, it does not follow that you should hand over to the next generation a society that is chaotic, fractured and unrecognisable.”, “Those who believe Europe is for the world have never explained why this process should be one way: why Europeans going anywhere else in the world is colonialism whereas the rest of the world coming to Europe is just and fair.”, “A country that believes it has never done any wrong is a country that could do wrong at any time. Douglas Murray: He was correct. Douglas Murray differs. Declining birth-rates, mass immigration and cultivated self-distrust and self-hatred have come together to make Europeans unable to argue for themselves and incapable of resisting their own comprehensive change as a society. But let's say that yes, okay, people fleeing the Syrian Civil War, then you have the people, including the aid agencies making the point, well, and one Afghan refugee made this to me to my face. The EU has to keep moving, it's got to have purpose, it's endlessly onwards and onwards. We kept changing the story of what we were doing as we were doing it. And that's why I also, I say at the end of "The Madness of Crowds," that I want young people, in particular to get fast ways out of this, shortcuts out of this madness. At the same time that we've had this influx, at the same time, Europe has lost faith in its beliefs, traditions, and legitimacy. Where's your place? To order The Strange Death Of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam by Douglas Murray published by Bloomsbury £18.99 call the Express Bookshop with your card details on 01872 562310. But they're very-- You can hear a little bit of it in America as well. The Sunday Times number one bestseller - now including new material by the author, Douglas MurrayTaking into account recent global events since its first explosive publication, The Strange Death of Europe is a highly personal account of a continent and culture caught in the act of suicide. Peter Robinson: So, when Angela Merkel invited a million refugees, refugees was the term-- Migrants, yeah, migrants. advancing ideas defining a free You can be a woman this hour if you'd like. There's been economic recovery of, across, of all kinds, and instead of feeling a sense of pride and accomplishment, it's just exhaustion. So most rights movements have moved towards this thing of born this way, the Lady Gaga view, as I say. We'll come to your argument in a moment, but the book appeared in 2017. So, the Brexit vote--. That’s the message of Douglas Murray’s book, The Strange Death of Europe (Bloomsbury £18.99). But 15 years later, he has to resign. Just a moment while we sign you in to your Goodreads account. Douglas Murray: A lot more than 60%. Where once there was an overriding explanation (however many troubles that brought), now there is only an overriding uncertainty and question. The Strange Death of Europe is the internationally bestselling account of a continent and culture caught in the act of suicid… More Now, by the way, I'm very disturbed about this, because almost none of my critics, and there are some, sadly, but almost none of them pick up on this thing. In a country where prostitution and soft drugs are licit, where euthanasia and abortion are practised, where men cry on TV and naked people walk on the beach and the pope is joked about on national TV? Now they're dangerous. What are you saying, bigot? What's the parallel? From the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648 up to the late 20th century, the nation state had generally been regarded not only as the best guarantor of the constitutional order and liberal rights but the ultimate guarantor of peace. Quotes by Douglas Murray “If somebody has the competency to do something, and the desire to do something, then nothing about their race, sex or sexual orientation should hold them back. Migrants tend not to head to the Highlands of Scotland or the wilds of Dartmoor. Post-colonialism, and post-colonial guilt is suffered in almost equal measure by, for instance, Britain, which undoubtedly ran quite a lot of the world in the past, and Sweden, which did not. But in 2015, the movement got to its height of total unregulated movement, and this was the year in which, it started off in the beginning of this decade we're in, partly people coming, fleeing Syrian civil war, but then people from all across sub-Saharan Africa, North Africa, the Middle East, the Far East, and I started traveling to the camps in Southern Europe where people were arriving in. So, what's the parallel? ‘The Strange Death Of Europe’ Says Europe’s Decline Is A Choice Douglas Murray's new polemic, 'The Strange Death of Europe,' ably explains the consequences of Europe's immigration challenges, … All of these things, there has been an enormous cost that people have been made to pay if they observe what's in front of their eyes, and so we get used to this sort of just period of lying. But a country that believes it has only done wrong, or done such a terrible, unalleviated amount of wrong in the past, is likely to become a country that is inclined to doubt its ability to ever do any good in the future.”, “[They] may have for instance taken the view of Edmund Burke, who in the 18th century made the central conservative insight; that a culture and a society are not things run for the convenience of the people who happen to be here right now, but is a deep pact between the dead, the living, and those yet to be born.”, “Europeans have been deflating the language of anti-fascism ahead of a time when they might need it.”, “For the Church of Sweden, the Church of England, the German Lutheran Church and many other branches of European Christianity, the message of the religion has become a form of left-wing politics, diversity action and social welfare projects.”, “If the burden of working for little reward in an isolating society stripped of any overriding purpose can be recognised to have an effect on individuals, how could it not also be said to have an effect on society as a whole? 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