Now it's like a 24/7 feed, whenever anything's up to inform, commiserate, lecture, consciousness raise, virtue signal, agitate or just as in Hudgens case, speak in tongues. But it was moved towards the abolitionist position by the argument that freeing the slaves would weaken the South, but also that black American soldiers were a crucial part of the war effort, and that you cannot ask these soldiers to sacrifice for no reason. . They're refusing to fill orders until more is done to help keep them safe. That's the thing about COVID-19, who doesn't care about how rich or famous you are, how funny you are, how smart you are, where you live. And yet it comes out of every pore. PRESIDENT TRUMP It's not racist at all, no, not at all. Indeed, one of the collateral benefits of war is that those heroes are celebrated for their courage by those who had never really ever seen them before. On Twitter, one popular surmise was chemical, but maybe it was another kind of intoxication. BROOKE GLADSTONE The polio pioneers in 1954, that wasn't long after the war, you suggested that the polio pioneers had a sense of responsibility to the community that we don't have today. And don't forget the cocktails. I was confronted with the obvious problem that if I didn’t have standing as a memoirist, why would I have a standing as a monologist, because what is it all about other than a collection of anecdotes. He was the person who was organizing strikes. LARRY DAVID The problem is you're passing up a fantastic opportunity, a once in a lifetime opportunity to stay in the house, sit on the couch and watch TV. You offer a wonderful exploration of the word immunity.

The metaphor of choice is framing the way we confront the crisis. Nicholas, welcome to the show.

They make money off of elective surgery. Other recent treatments of the metaphor dilemma could be found in. I was in the process of of dicking around with the memoir and trying to turn it into a stage show. Health workers are our heroes. Me, I'm fully committed to Tiger King.

I think the most clear cut case here is a civil war where Lincoln initially started with the goal of preserving the union with or without slavery. No, I think it’s time to take those triple parentheses and wear them prominently. But if we actually look at both World War I and World War II, that was not at all what came out of those wars. Then there's lost in space. So I was trying to come up with an image and I was brainstorming with a friend, and I said it's big. In the Bath Iron Works, a shipyard in Maine, half the workers stayed at home to pressure their employers to clean up the shipyard. NICHOLAS MULDER Thank you very much for having me on, Brooke. Risk expert Michelle Walker coined that metaphor to describe an obvious, highly probable, yet strangely neglected danger. Then the kid hoverboards right into the, if I may say, pretty nice swimming pool. Henry McMaster. In past shows, we've observed how other metaphorical wars on cancer, for example, or on drugs did little to vanquish those problems and may have even impeded the efforts to address them. is produced by Alana Casanova-Burgess, Micah Loewinger, Leah Feder, and Jon Hanrahan, and Xandra Ellin. If we are at war with this virus, an upside, according to economists, is that it could shake up our social compact. , and she also teaches writing at Northwestern University. . The captain of a U.S. aircraft carrier says more of his sailors are testing positive for Coronavirus.

So we have this perverse situation where the very workers who are most at risk are actually seeing their compensation being cut back. BOB GARFIELD That's Lost. BROOKE GLADSTONE We certainly have the fog of war. Now, a lot of people have been arguing that what we face now is this choice between saving lives and restarting the economy. But what is the government's duty to us? Declaring a metaphorical war on a disease is how we justify the expense, the impracticalities of protecting the most vulnerable among us. Have a very good time. I mean, I don't know how you're passing that up, well, maybe because you're not that bright. State capacity that this crisis has exposed is missing in the United States. KYLIE JENNER Please stay inside, you guys. The issue we should focus on is justice, either actually just to ask people to do dangerous work without offering them compensation? It may be counterintuitive to turn the wheel in the direction where you’re losing control, but that’s what I’m doing. is a production of WNYC Studios.

BROOKE GLADSTONE And we have wartime propaganda. Not that her post was necessarily that most out there. And don't forget the cocktails. The organizers have said there have been 50 Amazon strikes across the country. It can't be negotiated with. Listener Seth Knox reported.

One other thing worth saying is just there is this expression that we're all Keynesians in a foxhole. And then in subsequent wars, things like the GI Bill after the Second World War, you had the building up the V.A.

[END CLIP]. Our engineers this week were Sam Bair and Josh Hahn. Coming up, do we really need celebrities to tell us how they're sheltering in place? And so is individualism actually in this context. JEET HEER In the Bath Iron Works, a shipyard in Maine, half the workers stayed at home to pressure their employers to clean up the shipyard. We're still in a very international moment. The old dilemma of guns and butter is essentially about priority. BROOKE GLADSTONE Are we at war with COVID-19? And I think the logic of the pandemic itself is going to force that social contract to change. , that is the fight or a struggle against the virus.

Singer songwriter Keri Hilson tweeting that the pandemic can be traced to radiation from 5G wireless service because duh. Yet, of course, you know the doctors and nurses on the front line, when they use the language of war, it's justified. This hour we explore the suitability of the war metaphor: politically, economically, historically and personally. . But there's always been also the other possibility of a picture of a more democratic system that's more inclusive and that really offers people this protection of belonging to a shared collective project.

It's coming right at you. NEWS REPORT But President Trump's numbers have been widely questioned with the U.S. well behind Italy and South Korea in the number of people tested. That's something that right now, interestingly, is kind of inverted. And I believe Amazon fired a worker there. The actual off-keyness is what most flummoxed OTM producer Xandra Ellin, who couldn't get her head around why professional performers seeking to convey a sentiment wouldn't begin with, you know, professional performance. In fact, you even end up making an explicit analogy to early-Nazi-era assimilated German Jews, this can never happen to them. Other recent treatments of the metaphor dilemma could be found in The Guardian, The Atlantic and The New Yorker.

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